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Susie! Every vegetable garden needs flowers to attract the pollinators! The more scented the flowers, logically, the more attractive to pollinators. You probably have some permanent plants in the vegetable garden, like rosemary, so it’s not impossible to justify a couple of roses in there too. And orchardists always grow roses with their fruit trees to easily spot early signs of pests or disease. I think you could justify many more gorgeous rose bushes. :rose:
P.S. my friend’s granddad’s preferred method of pruning his roses? A chainsaw down to 6’’ from the ground. Every year.

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Thank you! I have a large flower bed 12 x 50 stacked full of perennial flowers, most of them very simple structures, heleniums, yarrow and asters for the pollinators which I adore. That has guilty secrets in it too as it has lemon balm growing free in clumps too which they love and honesty and loosestrife which are both invasive but in the summer the garden literally hums. I don’t have much space but I do have one rosebed and the rest of the roses are all climbers so they have a tiny footprint. Some of them are simple structures but afraid to say the David Austin ones aren’t great for pollinators as they are multilayered, the bees do come though and throughout the garden I have 13 ramblers or climbers going up, so in summer the place looks like a Tarzan movie with bows of roses instead of lianes drooping down. My favourite book as a child was the Secret Garden, and I guess I imprinted on it!

Wow! I’m off to work, but a quick question. Do you have to continue the treatment, and if so, how often?
I see your other posts, and will check them out when I get home. Thanks to you and SusieH, it looks like I’m back in the roses business.

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Hi Mary, generally just the once is enough, provided you spray early enough. It may differ in your area, depending on how it rains for you. If you get long hours (days?) of soaking rain or a massive downpour then you may need to repeat it afterwards.

And Susie, that description has me envious. It sounds simply divine! I too loved The Secret Garden, both as a child and even now as a lady of maturing years… It must take a lot of time to manage that and a vegetable garden.

AliG, Ahhhh, there’s the problem. In Florida, it rains just about every afternoon for at least 20 minutes, and it’s usually more than a drizzle. In the late summer, we have hurricane season, so it’s not unusual to have a thunderstorm blast through for a bit, followed by the usual blazing hot sun, so that might make the milk spray useless during the worst months for blackspot. I’m still going to give it a try, though.
Susie, I hadn’t thought of pollinators, but without realizing it, my butterfly and hummingbird areas of the garden were just that! I’m going to do the same, but on a smaller scale.
Both of you have given some great tips. Thank you!

Oh, Mary. Rain every day. Quite tropical. I don’t suppose you have ‘’‘proper’’ (for want of a better word) winters though - frosty mornings, snow, crisp air.
I contacted a friend who lives in Queensland, Australia and asked about roses. He said he uses the milk at 1 part milk to 1 part water every 7 days and has no problems with blackspot.
I suppose if you have lots and lots of roses you may, as with children, have to pick favourites and put up with it on the others.
But a hummingbird garden! I hope you can post a picture of that in use. I plant for insects to pollinate and predate, and for grubs for birds to feed their young and seeds to feed themselves. I’m trying to get a bit in for night-flying moths as we have quite a population of pipistrelle bats. But flying jewels!

Hi Alli,

No, we definitely don’t have a proper Winter. I believe I wore a sweater about 4 or 5 times last year, and it’s not at all unusual to wear shorts for Thanksgiving (3rd Thursday in November). We may get a months’ worth of cold weather, normally, but I don’t even own a coat, so that tells you how serious Florida is about Winter.
Right now, my gardens are all in change mode. I’m going from front yard focus to backyard. I’ll have 3 or 4 roses and hummingbird/butterfly planting areas in the front, but concentrate on veggies, fruits, and herbs in the back. I always mix things up with roses, so I’m sure I’ll do the same when I plant in December.
I finally found where I stored my former rose garden, so I’ll post a couple of photos another day.
What do you plant insects and grubs? I’m going to look up Pipistrelle Bats, as I’ve never heard of them!

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Hi there and greetings across the pond, dear MaryT. In the UK Austins Roses are something of the benchmark for roses( and well worth it) as they as grown in and for our unpredictable British weather. They are certainly more than decent quality but they may not suit other national and regional weather/climates. All the best with your efforts of them. Look around in your nation for truly specialist and reputable specialist rose growers. You may discover your very own ‘Austins’.

These are smaller bats that are protected in the UK and live often in church towers and spires, old barns etc. I’ve rescued several in my time from floors ( they find it either difficult or impossible to take off unless they hang from something) and easily fit in the palm of the hand. Once you’re over the media hype about vampires etc, they are actually quite ‘cuddly’.
If you’re in Florida, hope that those nasty current storms have not harmed you.

We in the states need to know immediately what a pork pie is and how to make one, please. :grinning: It sounds delicious, and I’m hungry! Also, good job on the sun-dried tomatoes! I’d like to try that next year when I can’t keep up with the results of my overzealous tomato seed sowing.

Hi Manta8ray,

I’m just as bad for tomato and chilli planting…end up with far too many plants to be able to cope with.
Anyhow, a Melton Mowbray Pork Pie is a pie, usually eaten cold, made with pork meat chopped very small, some seasoning (black pepper, salt, pinch of nutmeg, sage - my recipe), baked in a hot water crust pastry shell.
Hot water crust pastry can be a devil to work with, as you need to work very quickly with it, otherwise it won’t stay pliable enough to form the pie sides and top.
You can use a pie mold, or a wooden pie dolly, to help shape the pastry. I would also suggest using quadruple-folded parchment paper, around the outside of the pie to help it hold its shape.
Probably best to search online for a Melton Mowbray pork pie recipe, as most recipes in Leicestershire tend to be handed down through families.
Another option is to try and buy one online first, to see if you like them. Dickinson & Morris, Mrs Kings and Nelsons of Stamford all make excellent quality ones in the UK. They may do mail order??
Hope this helps.


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Welcome back manta8ray - good to hear from you.

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Don’t do that, Louise - we in the UK know that among the top first division of pork pies lies with M/M. Dickinson & Morris are in the premier league and will prob never be toppled. Sadly, by the time that Sainsbury’s or Morrisons or whoever take them on contract they are not quite the same pork pie experience.
I love 'em! That is, the fresh and genuine.
British pork pies are in my humble opinion the best and most authentic - be it D &M of MM, Eley’s of Ironville, Shrops or Wrights of Rugeley in Staffs, UK…
If you are in Leics,UK you should be able to get them by post.,
Yummy +

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Hi laner8673 & manta8ray,

Well, the question is; jelly or no jelly?
I prefer a pork pie with jelly. Those without can be a bit dry.
AND…what’s going on with the fluourescent pink pies, purporting to be ‘genuine Melton Mowbray pork pies’?
The meat inside a pork pie should be browny-grey, not any shade of pink, and definitely not bright enough to warrant the wearing of sunglasses!!
Just how much nitrate is being included in those?

Anyway manta8ray, I hope you manage to either get hold of one of our proudest provisions or try making your own. Good luck either way.